I think it was female deacons in the church which sent me off the do-as-I-say paved road to heaven. From my conservative christian church vision of how it should be, I tumbled and stumbled but it was the more mildly liberal church with their females taking up the “collection” and serving the communion which I mentally struggled with. What happened to women taking the submissive role in the church.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
….and this was in the new testament. So…do we obey the bible or do we pick and choose what we obey in the bible.
Yup…this was the beginning!
Until next time….
Ninasusan 
@tracy – Trust me…it wasn’t that fascinating and I was expecting a 1.5 to 2 minute answer but you know HIM 🙂
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@Ninasusan – I had to go look up how corn pollinates to see what was so fascinating about it. That’s pretty cool!!
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@tracy – I”m probably too curious…although I’m not sure that is possible. I love to know about stuff…except about how corn pollinates…I’m not curious about that anymore…I had a several hour lesson on that riding in the car one time with HIM.
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I love that your mind is always searching. You’re always looking at things and trying to find out the real meaning.I think MB and I think the same way. If you are a good ethical person with no mean intentions you can usually follow your instincts and you’ll get a much better moral compass than anything written in a book.
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@Ninasusan – I guess everything I believe is very fluid. I know most Christians would say I am wrong because of that but that is okay with me. I don’t answer to them. I guess I go with what makes sense to me. No one will like my answers but they work for me. Is the Bible literal? I don’t need to know. I go by what feels right in my heart. If my heart is wrong – so be it. I don’t need everything to be black and white. To me the sensible answer on gay marriage is that you have two people who love each other and want to make a commitment to each other that sounds good to me. As for baptism, the church I used to go to dedicated their infants and baptized adults. I liked that. Going from the heart doesn’t make a lot of clear distinctions but I think it causes people to have to think through what they believe instead of blindly following what some pastor tells them to believe.
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Paul (or whoever it was that wrote Paul’s letters) was a misogynist who’s opinions even today help maintain woman’s role in society as second class citizens. Why should women get equal pay with men since they can’t even teach men in the church? Why should women be treated as anything other than the source of all misery in the world because they pushed Adam into eating the forbidden fruit?Come now. You’re a woman and you are every bit as equal to us (we’re men) and every bit as deserving of equal pay and equal opportunity either in the church or in the secular world. Don’t settle for anything less. You are NOT a second class citizen in any way!And you don’t need some old book written by who knows from back in the 1st century when women were little more than property or baby factories. This is the 21st century and you are educated enough to make your own decisions about what’s right and wrong. -Y
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@skanickadee – So how do you know what is to be believed and what is not? Like baptism, gay marriage, etc etc. Personally…what or how do we decide what we believe or what we don’t believe????? From the very conservative to the very liberal…and is it literal or not literal?
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I plugged those verses into Google and found a page that seems to indicate that these verses were written on the side of the page. There seems to be some confusion to where they really belong. Not sure if that would change the insinuation that women aren’t supposed to speak in church but I think it creates room for questioning it.You know what I think, I think God used man to write some stuff down. Over many years the stuff was written and rewritten by very fallible men. So you know what? I don’t worry about it. If a person decides to believe in God, I think they should find the group that they are most comfortable with and worship with them. Look every Bible believer to some extent picks and chooses what they follow and believe. I think a person can over think stuff too much. Do you want to believe in God? Then do it and follow what is in your heart.
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@strawberryfieldsgirl – I am always looking for opinions! :)I like those verses too!
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having said all that, I do want to say that it’s really such a very personal journey and everyone finds their answers their own way in their own time…that’ s just where my own life experiences have brought me. and IDK if that link showed up right. but the verse is 1 Corinthians 13:1-13
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I’m not sure you’re looking for opinions. but i have some. LOL So mho is that the bible was written by a few from stories told long before they were written down. They were also transcripted for that specific time period that it was written down. Not to say a lot of it can’t also pertain to forever…but they are stories. There are tons of chapters that were left out. How many times was it transcribed again? If we all followed eveything in the bible, then we’d all need to be Amish cuz they’re about the only ones i know who truly do seem to do that. I am not anti religion, there are a lot of things about it that I appreciate. My kids were confirmed in the Episcopal church and the act itself is supposedly exactly what the disciples did and has been continued on into today. That was cool. i appreciate it. I don’t appreciate anyone who says theirs is the only right way and there is no room for discussion. but that’s just me.I have a favorite bible verse that I think sums it all up, so that’s what I go with. :)http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2013&version=ESV
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